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中国将下水第三艘航母,目的是什么?是要在南海挑战美国海军吗? [美国网贴]

quora网友:很多网友以独特的角度回答了这个问题,但是没有一个回答说到了中国扩张蓝水海军的真实原因。不一定是为了挑战美国或者从事邪恶之事。是为了未来的生存以及应对美国退出世界事务….

China is launching its third aircraft carrier, what is this for? Is China ready to challenge the U.S. Navy in the South China Sea?

中国将下水第三艘航母,目的是什么?是要在南海挑战美国海军吗?

【以下是评论部份】

Joseph Larsen, former Intelligence Sergeant at145th BSB (2006-2009)
Answered Nov 26
China is launching its third aircraft carrier,what is this for? Is China ready to challenge the U.S. Navy in the South ChinaSea?
There are many unique answers yet none yet havetouched upon the real reason for China’s expanding blue water navy. It doesn’thave to do with trying to challenge the United States or anything nefarious. Ithas to do with survival in the future and the United States withdrawal fromworld affairs.
The current economic structure of the world is aUS designed and implemented system. It was designed to contain the Soviet Unionand allow the United States to fight the inevitable war in the way the U.S.wanted without allies overriding the war plans. For this freedom and securitythe United States Navy would protect trade throughout the world and wouldwelcome trade agreements that favored everyone but the United States. Thisallowed secured goods to flow throughout the world without the need to rely onempires and colonies to get those goods. Armies and Navies could be reduced asthe threat of attack from ones neighbors became less likely. When everyone hasaccess to the same markets, the need to forcibly gain access to neededresources is reduced.

很多网友以独特的角度回答了这个问题,但是没有一个回答说到了中国扩张蓝水海军的真实原因。不一定是为了挑战美国或者从事邪恶之事。是为了未来的生存以及应对美国退出世界事务。
目前世界的经济结构是美国设计和执行的。其目的是为了牵制苏联并允许美国以它自己的方式来打不可避免的战争。为了实现这种自由和保障,美国海军要去;と澜绲拿骋,并且欢迎有利于所有人但不利于美国的贸易协议。从而保证货物流通全世界,而不用依赖帝国和殖民地来获得这些货物。一个国家的陆军和海军可以被削减,因为来自邻国的攻击威胁变得更不可能了。当所有人都能进入同样的市场时,通过强力手段获取所需资源的需要就下降了。

So, what does this have to do with Chineseaircraft carriers? In short, the system was designed to fight the Cold War andthe United States won.
When the Soviet Union fell so did the need forthe U.S. to protect the world. The system is now putting the US at adisadvantage without the US security gains. Since Bill Clinton, the US tradepolicy has been on autopilot. The world knew that someday the United Stateswould reduce its presence (ie trade security) yet it hoped that the US securityneeds would overlap the rest of the world’s needs. The big factor in thecurrent rush to build up Navies is fracking operations in the United States andCanada.

所以,这和中国的航母有什么关系呢?简而言之,这个系统是为了用来打冷战,而且美国打赢了。当苏联解体时,美国;な澜绲谋匾砸蚕Я。现在这个系统让美国处于不利的境地,美国没能获得安全收益。自克林顿以来,美国的贸易政策都是自动驾驶状态。世界知道总有一天美国会削减其存在(即贸易安全),但是世界也希望美国的安全需要可以和世界其他国家的需要重叠。现在各国海军建设的主要驱动因素之一就是美国和加拿大的水力压裂石油开采。

The United States is on track to not needing anyoil from outside of North America. This means that the aircraft carrier battlegroup the U.S. keeps in or near the Persian Gulf is no longer in the interestsof the United States. When that carrier group gets pulled, it allows for thepossibility of Iran and Saudi Arabia to gain control of the oil market, byforce if necessary. Since Europe gets most of their oil from Russia rather thanthe Middle East, the area most affected by US oil independence is the East Asiamarket. So imagine the horrors that China, Japan and other East Asian nationsare staring down: a world where oil is no longer protected by the U.S. Navy andcan easily be disrupted by competitors. If Iran decides to close the Strait ofHormuz, East Asian economies suffer.

美国将不再需要北美以外的石油资源。这意味着美国在墨西哥湾的航母战斗群已经不再符合美国的利益。当这个航母战斗群被取消时,伊朗和沙特就可能控制住石油市场,如有必要可能采取武力方式来进行控制。由于欧洲的大部分石油来自俄罗斯而非中东,所以受美国石油独立影响最大的地区是东亚市场。所以想象一下中国,日本和其他东亚国家所面临的可怕景象吧:在这个世界上,石油不再受到美国海军;,还可能受到竞争者的轻易扰乱。如果伊朗决定关闭霍尔木兹海峡,东亚国家就有苦可吃了。

So with the United States pulling back andrenegotiating its trade agreements, the rest of the world has to either step upand secure its own trade routes or risk the loss of supply. This is the reasonfor an expansion of China’s Navy. It is also the reason for Japan’s increasingNavy as well. Hell, this is the reason Teresa May tied the United Kingdom’snavy to U.S. Navy as she desires the UK to supplement the U.S. Navy in orderfor US protecting UK supply routes.
In case you are wondering, the South China Seais where most of the oil flows through. Chinese expansion of influence andnaval power is just a sign of the world trying to finally adapt to a post ColdWar world. Better late then never, I suppose.

所以随着美国的撤退和重新协商贸易协议,世界其他国家必须建立并;ぷ约旱拿骋茁废,否则可能面临补给问题。这是中国海军扩张的一个原因。也是日本扩张海军的原因之一。这也是英国首相梅将英国海军同美国海军绑在一起的原因,因为她希望英国海军可以当美国海军的副手,从而让美国;び⒐牟垢。而南海正是大部分石油运输经过的地方。中国影响力和海军力量的扩张不过是世界终于要去适应后冷战世界的一个迹象。亡羊补牢尤未晚,我猜是这样。

Charles Anderson, former Lieutenant Commander atUnited States Navy (1982-1994)
Nov 29 · 11 upvotes
Joseph…thank you. A thoughtful, cogent responsewithout histrionics or politicization…often a rarity in Quora responses.

感谢楼上,你的回答非常有深度,很有说服力,没有装腔作势和政治化

Krishna Kumar Subramanian, 40 years withcommercial jets! Continuously!
Updated Nov 28
What makes you think the hegemony of the US overthe world is going to last forever? Can’t you see the end coming?
And what in hell is the US’s business in theSouth China Sea?
Managing American Decline
America’s decline relative to a rising China hassparked interest among academics about power shifts in the internationalorder—whether they can happen peacefully and under what conditions; whatprecedents exist and what they tell us.
Managing American Decline
Some states have attempted to enforce their owncitizenship policies, with a dozen permitting undocumented immigrants toacquire driver’s licenses and nearly twice as many to allow them to qualify forinstate tuition. Seven states, along with a slew of municipal governments, haveadopted “sanctuary” policies of official noncooperation with federalimmigration enforcement.

你凭什么认为美国对全世界的霸权可以永远维持下去?你难道看不到美国霸权即将终结吗?而且南海关美国什么事?
中国崛起下的美国衰弱引发了学术圈对国际秩序里的权力转移的兴趣——权力转移可以和平进行吗,会在什么样的条件下转移;历史上都有哪些先例,我们从中得到了什么启发等等。
设法应对美国衰弱:美国一些州试图执行自己的公民政策,还有十几个州允许非法移民获得驾照,更多的州授予非法移民以州民学费的资格。七个州加上大量的市政府选择不配合联邦移民执法。

Many governors, including Republicans inMassachusetts and Maryland, have refused to deploy National Guard troops tosupport Trump’s border policies, and California has sued the federal governmentto block construction of a wall along the Mexican frontier.
After the Trump administration stopped defendingan Obama-era Labor Department rule to expand the share of workers entitled toovertime pay, Washington State announced it would enforce its own version ofthe rule and advised its peers to do the same. “It is now up to states tofortify workers through strong overtime protections,” Washington governor JayInslee wrote last week.
In California, officials who regularly boast ofoverseeing the world’s fifth-largest economy have begun to talk of advancingtheir own foreign policy. After Trump withdrew from the Paris climateagreement, Governor Jerry Brown—he has said “we are a separate nation in ourown minds”—crossed the Pacific to negotiate a bilateral carbon-emissions pactwith Chinese president Xi Jinping.

很多州长,包括马萨诸塞州和马里兰州的共和党人,拒绝部署国民警卫队来支持川普的边境政策,加州还起诉了联邦政府以阻止墨西哥边境的墙壁建设。
在川普政府不再支持奥巴马时期劳工部所制定的加班费规定后,华盛顿州宣布执行自己版本的规定,并号召其他州也这么干!跋衷谑歉髦萃ü看蟮募影喾驯;だ醋炒蠊と说氖焙蛄,”华盛顿州长上周写道。
在加州,经常夸耀自己是世界第五大经济体的官员们也开始谈论执行自己的外交政策了。在川普退出巴黎气候协定后,州长杰瑞布朗——他之前说过“在我们心里我们已然是一个独立的国家”——跨越了太平洋,来到中国和中国进行了双方碳排放协议的协商。

“It’s true I didn’t come to Washington, I cameto Beijing,” said Brown, who is often received like a head of state when hetravels abroad.
More nuclear weapons won’t help prevent thisbreakup of the US!

他说道“这是真的。我没去华盛顿,而是去了北京!彼诔龇檬本1坏弊龉以桌纯创。
更多的核武器都无法阻止美国的分裂!

Adrian Li, MS Electrical Engineering, Universityat Buffalo (2000)
Answered Nov 29
why is it that everything China does, speaking,building, doing must be a challenge or against toward the US? If you(US) doesnot have blood on its own hands, why afraid what others doings must benegative? A strong economy nation need its own protection to guard itself fromforeign “looters” and “pirates”…China had experienced that during the OpiumWar. At that time China was weak on military and was defenseless, Britain andUS looted China and put cannons and guns at the emperor’s head, literally.China had experienced those type of bullying from US and the westerncountries..they know how westerners are..they know if they don’t quicklybeef-up themself, history can easily repeat itself..
Opium war wasabout trade..Trump is now have a trade war with China. But time has changed,the dragon has awaken and roaring and able to protect itself..otherwise thistrade war easily would have turned into the outcome as was in the opium war.There is a cliche saying “fooled me once, shamed on you, fooled me twice shamedon me.”..see how US messed up the middle east..no one wants those outcomes..China is defending the SCS is because the US has more military bases aroundChina. It is a choke point on China if they dont defend it. Britain and USchoked China during the opium war.

为什么中国的一切言行都是为了挑战或者对抗美国呢?如果你们美国自己手上没有沾染鲜血,那为什么要担心其他人的做法就一定是消极的呢?一个强大的国家需要;ぷ约好庠馔夤南唇俸吐佣。中国在鸦片战争期间已经经历过了。当时,中国军事落后,毫无抵抗之力,英美洗劫了中国,将枪炮指向皇帝的脑袋。中国经历过欧美欺凌,知道西方人是什么货色。他们知道如果不快点武装自己,历史就会再次重演。
鸦片战争有关贸易。川普现在和中国打贸易战。但是时代变了,龙已经醒来,能;ぷ约毫,否则这次贸易战也会演变成鸦片战争那次一样。看看美国是如何搅乱中东的,没人想要这种结果。中国守卫南海是因为美国在中国周围拥有更多军事基地。南海是中国的咽喉点,中国必须守护。英美在鸦片战争期间扣住了中国的咽喉。

Shofotolavski Lee, lived in Living in China (1977-2018)
Answered Dec 6
You should ask why Americans are close to theChinese coast.
The number of US reconnaissance planes approachingShanghai is close to 100 times a year.
South China Sea, not the coast of the UnitedStates
The United States is not a neighboring countryin the South China Sea.
China’s sovereignty over the South China Sea hasbeen established since the Ming Dynasty.
I am very curious, what are the benefits of theUnited States?
If one day, the Iranian navy is strong enough topatrol around the United States, what will the United States react to?
China has been more restrained

你应该问为什么美国要这么靠近中国海岸。美国侦察机今年接近上海的次数接近100次。南海可不是美国的海岸。美国可不是南海国家。中国对南海的主权自明朝就建立了。我很好奇美国在南海有什么利益吗?如果有一天伊朗海军足够强大到巡逻美国海岸,美国会作何反应?中国已经够克制了。

Abhik Manna
Dec 6
Same goes with Doklam why China is building roadin a disputed area of Bhutan which is stragicly soft corner of India. TheDoklam is a barren land where not a living being lives then the same questiongoes to China.

那洞朗呢,中国在这个有争议的不丹地区铺路,而这里是印度的战略柔弱地带。洞朗就是一个贫瘠之地,没人居住,所以中国为什么要铺路?

Shofotolavski Lee
Dec 6
https://www.bilibili.com/video/a…
This is an interview with an Indian scholar.
There is no doubt that it belongs to China.
Any country has the right to build roads in itsown territory.
There is no dispute area
The territory that the British colonists did notreceive in the past, India now requires these territories
India is incomprehensible
India did not realize that he was hated by allneighboring countries.

这是对印度学者的访问,毫无疑问它属于中国。一个国家有权在自己的领土上建设道路。当时英国统治印度的时候并没有接受这块领土。现在印度又要求这块土地的主权。印度真是不可理解。印度没有意识到自己被所有邻国讨厌。

Abhik Manna
Dec 6
LOL, it brought me to a paid propagandaspreading Chinese site, you better see a international new channel like BBC orAl Jazeera they clearly show it disputed. No one hates India Bhutan,Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Maldives no one hate India except Pakistan.
India vs China: Clash of the titans ( Al Jazeera)
New images show Doklam plateau build-up ( BBCthough BBC is very anti India still it claim the area as disputed )
Better see you own neighbors like South Korea,Taiwan, Japan.
It may not be disputed to China but is disputedto the whole world. You guys can built CPEC hishways passing through thedisputed Pakistan occupied Kashmir and cry about US in international waters ofSouth China Sea.
Hippocrates.

哈哈,你这个网址是一个中国网站,你最好还是多看看国外的新闻频道吧,比如BBC或者半岛电视台,他们都说这块土地是有争议的。没有人讨厌印度,不丹,孟加拉国,缅甸,斯里兰卡和马尔代夫都不讨厌,除了巴基斯坦。你还是看看自己的邻国有多讨厌你们吧,比如韩国,台湾和日本;蛐碓谥泄蠢疵挥姓,但是全世界都认为有争议。你们可以在有争议的巴控克什米尔建公路,可是却抗议美国在南海的公海上航行。真是虚伪。

J. Zhang
Answered Nov 29
China is building carriers to learn how to buildcarriers. There is not much more than that.
China is building these as prototypes. That iswhy no 2 Chinese carriers are of the same design. It has 3 carriers with 3different designs. The logistics of this would be a nightmare in wartime.
You will know when China is serious aboutbuilding a real warfighting carrier force when it settles on one design andcranks out 10 of them.

中国建造航母是为了学习如何建造航母。仅此而已。中国建造的是航母原型。所以没有两艘航母是一模一样的设计。三艘航母的设计都不一样。战时,这样的后勤将是一个噩梦。
当中国决定只用一种设计并下线10艘时,那就是中国真正开始认真建造航母部队的时候了。

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